"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt)
11/20/2018 at 09:36 • Filed to: rav4, 2019 rav4, toyota
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"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt)
11/20/2018 at 09:36 • Filed to: rav4, 2019 rav4, toyota | 9
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“Whether you choose the XSE or any of the other hybrid trim levels, you get the quickest powertrain(219 HP, 240 Lb-ft , 0-60 in 7.1 to 7.8 seconds based on reviews), the most power, and the best fuel economy, for a price that’s only $800 more than an AWD-equipped gas model (all-wheel drive is standard with hybrids) Between the added power, the off-the-line response, the excellent fuel economy – an estimated 41/37/39 mpg combined compared to 32 combined mpg last year – and the low cost of entry, the hybrid is easy to recommend. “
The XSE Hybrid is 99.9% our next family vehicle.
Pricing starts at $26K goes up to $36K
Regular version does 0-60 in around 8 seconds
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Arrivederci
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:40 |
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Not bad, and it actually looks good again too.
fintail
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:42 |
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Gack, that front end. And the cliched faux floating C-pillar hasn’t died yet, nice. So exciting and dynamic and adventurous.
Sovande
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:42 |
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It looks like every other car in this segment only with a bit more macho plastic cladding.
HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:43 |
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Too bad it’s so damn ugly
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> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:44 |
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That’s a nice angry looking compass. That floating c pillar can take a hike. But that’s just me.
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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> fintail
11/20/2018 at 09:45 |
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They tired to shrink the 4Runner, and mixed in a bit of Jeep Conpass. Thing is the 4Runner gets away with its looks because it is big, and actually can off-road. This is a hatchback dressed
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Arrivederci
11/20/2018 at 09:45 |
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I wish the hybrid came in the Adventure trim though. I think it looks much better but I won’t be the one buying it; or driving it for the most part.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Sovande
11/20/2018 at 09:46 |
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Well it’s a mass-market Toyota so...
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/20/2018 at 09:48 |
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Well it’s a Toyota after all. If only every crossover looked as good as a CX -5...
camarov6rs
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:51 |
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Only read one review so far so I could be missing info. Have they enabled the rear axle to handle more power? Previous generation seemed to disable the rear end in any kind of use beyond the minimum to call it AWD.
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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:51 |
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This was better, and not complete boring. I never once looked at one of these and thought “ewwww”
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Sovande
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:53 |
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I guess I just don’t see what makes it any different than any other car in its segment. I find it boring, specs are not impressive, the design is derivative and the tarted up cladding is just another place for rust to start. My gas powered wagon gets 37 mpg on the highway, just like this goofy hybrid and gets to 60 a full two seconds sooner.
E92M3
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 09:53 |
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Shame about the zero feedback/numb steering, body roll and noisy engine. If they put a tiny amount of effort into dynamics, they’d sell even more. It doesn’t have to be as good as the CX5, or even the CRV, but give us something Toyota. Reliability isn't the only category that matters.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> camarov6rs
11/20/2018 at 09:54 |
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“Although the low-level LE and mid-level XLE and XLE Premium trims make do with a traditional all-wheel-drive system that pushes power between the front and rear axles, the top-of-the-line Limited and rough-and-tumble Adventure models sport a more advanced torque-vectoring system capable of mechanically transferring up to 50 percent of the engine’s power between both the front and rear axles and the left and right rear wheels.
While individual needs will vary, the torque-vectoring system proved an impressive unit on both on- and off-road driving courses. On tarmac, the setup seamlessly shifts torque to the outside rear wheel at turn-in. The system can also disengage the rear driveshaft in certain conditions to send power strictly to the front wheels and improve fuel economy by limiting parasitic losses.”
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/20/2019-toyota-rav4-first-drive-review-94659/
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Sovande
11/20/2018 at 09:59 |
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They finally didn’t make a Hybrid a borefest, gave it decent power, Highway MPG is inconsequential for us, 41 MPG the city is a big deal .
Honestly I don’t really care about the regular version and whatever you said is true , except with torque vectoring AWD it’s a good alternative to the new Forester.
The Dummy Gummy
> fintail
11/20/2018 at 10:01 |
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Different strokes for different folks. I like the look a lot.
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The Dummy Gummy
> HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/20/2018 at 10:02 |
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This makes me laugh because I find that hideous. As I said to someone else, different strokes for different folks.
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camarov6rs
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 10:10 |
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Sorry, I meant the hybrid model. Last generation Toyota seemed to make it a limitation of the design. However good to know they added a more advanced system on the normal models for the people who actually want AWD instead of a badge.
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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 10:10 |
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Okay That doesn’t look bad
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> E92M3
11/20/2018 at 10:11 |
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!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Apparently they have and it’s much improved compared to the previous one (which I have driven and hated), based on all the reviews I have watched and read this morning, and even if they don’t it simply just doesn’t matter to their customers. Oppo is not representative of the general public that makes this the best selling Toyota and best selling non-truck in the US, 400K units per year. They care about reliability, safety, resale,space, MPGs. Remember this is the new family midsize car. Good enough is excellent for the target customer. It is mostly enthusiasts in my opinion who specifically go for the CX5 or Mazda 6 and convince their SOs to buy one.
If everyone in the segment cared about dynamics the CX-5 would be the sales leader right?
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/20/2018 at 10:13 |
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Ewwww NO!
This V6 was/is the best one
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> camarov6rs
11/20/2018 at 10:14 |
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Ah, OK. I didn’t see any literature on the i-AWD system. And I don’t have high expectations, at best it could be better than the older version.
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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 10:20 |
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You know I was thinking of the third gen. I like the second as well, but third gen is better looking. Even the current one is better than that new one
Just Jeepin'
> The Dummy Gummy
11/20/2018 at 10:28 |
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I’ve given up trying to figure out aesthetics on most vehicles. And wheels.
Once in a great while I’ll see a wheel that strikes me as unpleasant , but the strength and range of opinions on wheel appearance here baffles me. I barely notice them.
Tapas
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 10:35 |
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....And I’m guessing it has a low coefficient of drag as well, since even the air is repulsed by that ugly face.
Cé hé sin
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 10:36 |
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I see these daily and think they look relatively well.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Tapas
11/20/2018 at 10:36 |
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\_()_/
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Cé hé sin
11/20/2018 at 10:39 |
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Hah! F orget Crossovers, looks like BMW was “inspired” by that headlight design for the new G20 3 series
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The Dummy Gummy
> Just Jeepin'
11/20/2018 at 11:00 |
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To be honest - I don’t even care what the outside looks like anymore as long as the interior is excellent . In this case, t he Rav4 interior isn’t great, but the fuel economy, reliability and space would make this an easy sell to me. Now if it could just have the interior of the Mazda Vision interior.... just take all my moneys.
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fintail
> The Dummy Gummy
11/20/2018 at 11:06 |
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The nicest I can say is that the windows aren’t as short as some stylists seem to prefer - so now you can actually see out of it a little. Just too faux-butch for me.
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E92M3
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 11:08 |
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Motor Trend wasn’t very kind in their review of it, even though it is better than the outgoing one. Why should being #1, be enough? They could probably sell double the amount of CRVs sold each year if they wanted to. They might anyway with the oil dilution fiasco Honda is facing.
Unfortunately for Mazda, they have a reputation for going to shit around 100k miles, and don’t hold their value because of it. No matter how reliable their current vehicles are, it takes decades to reverse consumer sentiment.
This is a weird segment, there’s really no stellar choice. Even Nissan is doing well in this segment of meh. If we approached real estate like we do vehicles, we’d all be living in Hays, KS. Sure there’s threat of tornados, and the beach is a far away, but the schools are mediocre and houses are cheap.
mr2gud2u
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 11:11 |
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You have no reason to defend your choice. Its to bad some folks here forget there is life outside of track days and SCCA events. I actually really like the look of the new Rav. My only gripe with it and all crossovers, is the lack of a straight axle and decent ground clearance. I guess if it had those things it would be an SUV not a CUV.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> mr2gud2u
11/20/2018 at 11:28 |
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It’s not even my choice LOL, my next car is mostly likely a RWD Turbo V6/V8 sedan. I am simply speaking form the POV of my wife who is one of the typical customers. That’s why I said next “family” vehicle. I will end up driving it at most half the time though because she works from home most of the time and wants a hybird/plugin/electric. We have a Kia Niro now.
They increased the ground clearance is up+2 to around 8ish now. The Torque vectoring AWD seems to be good though.
Future Heap Owner
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 11:46 |
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That one is so generically inoffensive that I find it offensive. At least they’re trying something now
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camarov6rs
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 11:50 |
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Alex on Autos said that Toyota was aware of the issue and has actually engineered more ability into the rear axle. Shame they couldn’t have found a way to allow 2 smaller motors (one at each wheel) instead of the single one and open diff. From his drive review the hybrid is the one to get being that it’s faster, quieter (for typical driving), more efficient, and depending on how you drive more engaging.
HammerheadFistpunch
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 12:00 |
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Looks like they are still using the Q211 MGR in the i-awd system . Hopefully they’ve recalibrated it to not suck as hard.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> camarov6rs
11/20/2018 at 16:33 |
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have you seen my post on this issue? https://oppositelock.kinja.com/rav4-details-so-far-1830571042
it might answer your question.
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camarov6rs
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/20/2018 at 16:53 |
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Perfect. Still not quite the all the capabilities I would have hoped for out of the rear end, but given that the hybrid is only $800 more than the standard model it is to be expected. Seems like if Toyota could figure out how to have another battery tied only to the rear motor they could allow it to work more independent of the front end/gas engine. From what I read to get sufficient power to the rear motor the single battery doesn’t have enough capacity so it must use the engine as a generator to power the rear and assist with powering the front.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> camarov6rs
11/20/2018 at 17:14 |
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with 128 kw of total electric motor draw and only 1.6 kw of battery there is only so much discharge that little battery can handle. sure, you can ramp up the vol tage, but it’ s like trying to run a fridge off a couple of AA batteries. I mean even the 40kw rear motor needs about twice the battery size to keep temps and battery life in check.
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camarov6rs
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/20/2018 at 17:29 |
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Exactly. Limitations of packaging and cost are likely what happened here. At least Toyota thought about these things with the new platform. Take a look at Subaru with the Crosstrek, the bastardized the motor units up front to fit with their mechanical AWD then in a stroke they fitted a battery that was obviously not intended to fit the vehicle in the hatch. If Subaru was actually thinking about this they would have done this to the outback or ascent where there is more room to accommodate the battery pack or you know designed a platform that will be able to accept electrification better.
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> fintail
11/20/2018 at 19:37 |
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“I have no opinion whatsoever.”
- fintail’s evil twin, probably.
wkiernan
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/20/2018 at 19:39 |
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Dang, it’s
huge
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fintail
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
11/20/2018 at 21:26 |
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I have an opinion, and it must be heard!